Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] So, yeah, when I have a thought, I gotta let it out.
[00:00:08] It's a bright spot that I can't even doubt my opinions, my point of view, even if things are a little tripped and sweet. So, yeah, even if you disagree.
[00:00:20] So, yeah, even if I'm not in your pedagree. So, yeah, especially if you agree.
[00:00:33] So, yeah.
[00:00:39] Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever and whenever you're listening to it. Welcome to the yeah.
[00:00:53] Podcast with your girl, Caroline Diamond. And if that little wasn't a little foreshadowing on what I'm going to talk about in this episode, this topic is something that I've pondered a lot on my own time, obviously. Like, I have all these questions personally. I talk about these with my friends, and then I'm like, this would actually be a good podcast topic.
[00:01:18] And that's my process.
[00:01:22] So I saw the Michael Jackson movie when I was home, and I'll talk about how I felt about the movie later. But it again, reigniting. Reignited this thought that I've had for a long time of can you separate the art from the artist?
[00:01:42] Now?
[00:01:44] You might have a different perspective than me with this topic. Okay, again, if you listen to the intro song, even if you disagree, take that discernment with what I'm about to say. Right.
[00:02:01] I'm not sure I'm not a person that says things just to be polarizing, but that's just how I feel. You know what I mean? And you might disagree.
[00:02:11] Exactly. So for me personally, it is very, very difficult for me to separate the art from the artist. Okay. Because I, as an artist, I know what it takes to make something, to create something, put it out in the world. And how can you say that? That is not a part of you that's out there. Your art is a part of the artist, regardless of whatever it is, even if it's your Persona, whatever. It's a part of you. Okay?
[00:02:46] So it's very hard for me to separate the art from the artist. Case in point, Chris Brown.
[00:02:55] He is completely blocked on all of my music streaming platforms. I do not support that man. I have never really supported that man ever since what happened to Rihanna all those years ago. I like. No, he's.
[00:03:11] That's. I don't. I don't. I don't have. I don't deal with. I don't deal with that. And when people are like, it was only that one time, babe. That sounds like somebody that's never been abused before. Are you kidding me? That was the first time that it was shown outside the house. Yeah. And you're willing to do that before an award show, you're actually deranged. And this has happened multiple times before. He beat the out of her face.
[00:03:36] And why did his ex girlfriend Karrueche have a restraining order against him? I don't know. People don't like to bring that up. And I'm like, that's kind of crazy because I just feel like he's low key, a monster. I'm just sorry. I, I don't listen to his music. I do not support that man. When I see women, women going to see his concert, I'm like, make it make sense. And I've debated bringing this up. Here I go.
[00:04:13] A lot of dancers want to dance for Chris Brown because he's a, he's a dancers artist. You know what I mean? Like, he's, he's like a Janet in that way. Like, he respects his dancers, he dances so much himself and like dancers want to dance for him.
[00:04:29] I get that.
[00:04:31] I just personally, personally don't think that I could work for somebody that is that deranged. And of course, being in this industry for 10 plus years, everybody is damaged. Every artist is damaged. That's why we go towards the art. You know what I mean? Like, we are damaged individuals.
[00:04:58] The, the, the spectrum of damage that I personally, Caroline diamond and willing to put up with, that is the difference for me. That's the difference.
[00:05:10] It's not that I don't like people that like, dance for, you know, abusers, but I'm also like, okay, not important to you. That's kind of crazy. But like just clocked, you know what I mean? I put a yellow tab in it. I like to. I brought this thing like a couple years ago that when I was going on dates with people, if something like, obviously they're like red flag things, right? Like out the gate you're like, ooh, red flag. But other things that are necessarily red flags, yet I call them yellow tabs. Like if somebody, when I was on a date with somebody, he was like, I was like saying that I'm very emotional and I feel things deep, deeply. And he's like, yeah, I'm not emotional. I'm very logical. I handle things very logically. And to me I was like, yellow tab that. Because if it comes up in the future where I'm emotionally reacting to something and he's logically reacting, I can't get mad at him because he told me that he thinks about things logically, if that makes sense. Anyway, yellow tab. So I put a yellow tab on some who like, like to dance for abusers or like. Or supports abusers. I'm like, yikes. Like Drake, who the in this, in the year 2026, is still listening to Drake. Like, are you deranged? That man is a pedophile with a bad liposuction stomach. Like, please don't kill me, girl. The music is not that good. If you wanted to take listeners music from like 2010, fine, I'll give that to you. I'll give that to you. But 2026, strike. You're crazy.
[00:06:37] You're crazy. Now that brings me to the discussion of Michael Jackson. So I think in general, millennials have a very, I feel like it. Complex relationship with Michael Jackson because we grew up when our parents really, like, literally experienced Michael Jackson. They experienced the trajectory of his career. He was the biggest, the world, the King of Pop. And they were there. When Thriller dropped on mtv, they were there. You know what I mean? So they have an experience with him that I believe they, you know, it ingested into us. And then as a dancer, we grew up dancing to his music. Like, if you didn't do a dance to Michael Jackson, somebody at your studio did or somebody at competition did. Like, and I'm sure that to this day, there's still Michael Jackson songs playing a competition. That's just his impact with music.
[00:07:33] And then you have like that stuff. And then when we were still really young, was all these abuse stuff coming out. So we have this very, like, complex version of the story of like, King of Pop and like all these amazing alkali accolades. Yeah, why did that. Was that so hard for me to say? All these amazing, amazing accolades and then you have the abuse, which again, my personal feelings is, yeah, he did.
[00:08:05] But it's so not to therapize everybody. I've been to therapy. I don't know if you can clock that.
[00:08:15] And you should too. If you're not in therapy, get into therapy. It's not embarrassing. It's actually the most liberating thing that you'll ever do for yourself. Anyway, so people who abuse have been abused themselves. That's literally the formula. That's what. Literally, that's what happens. Okay. So it offers understanding for me. When I find out, like, like what happened to people, it doesn't excuse the behavior that they didn't then do to other people, but it makes you aware of why and the root causes. Like, I'm the type of person that's always like, well, why is that? Let's get to the root cause of these emotions. All these feelings, you know what I mean?
[00:09:03] And so for a long time, it was really hard for me to separate Michael's music and his impact from the allegations.
[00:09:13] And nobody can sit here and say that Michael Jackson isn't one of the most inspiring artists that has ever walked this earth. He was a perfectionist. He was amazing. He was so incredible. His father hurt him so much. And they always say that the age that you become famous is the age that you get stuck in forever. And so when he got famous at age 8, he was stuck in the 8 year old's body forever. And when I watched the movie, the Michael movie, you know, it showed like his, his trajectory, his life, all that kind of stuff. And you literally, as he's growing up, you see that he never quite shakes the fact that he's actually still a child. You know what I mean? He still has this youth, like spirit, this childlike mine. And it's not necessarily wrong, but I think, I think that he didn't even really know what he was doing with these young boys. I really don't. I think that because he viewed himself like a child, he didn't see anything wrong with it. But then you zoom out and you're like, what does this 25 year old have to do with a 7 year old? Like that? The optics of that are, yuck, Ew.
[00:10:38] But I don't know, it's kind of like a hard dichotomy to kind of navigate. Because watching the Michael movie, it was amazing. I thought it was great. I really did. I thought Jafar Jackson did an amazing job.
[00:10:54] But it like really makes you think, it really makes you ponder certain things. And I was definitely thinking about it a lot after, and I'm like. And I asked my parents, who I saw the movie with, I was like, like, can you separate the art from the artist? And my stepdad was like, yes, I can. And I was like, I just don't know if I can. I can't do that because I know that your art is you.
[00:11:21] Your art is your true feelings and viewpoints on things. Like, it's you.
[00:11:29] How can, how can you separate the art from the artist? Like, how can you and I, I would love to know your thoughts and your feelings.
[00:11:38] Ladies and germs, in my comments or message me, I want to know, can you separate the art from the artist? It's very, very difficult for me to do that. I, I really just can't. I can't even work for people that are really challenged. I can't.
[00:12:04] This section of the podcast Is called currently. And it's everything that I am currently reading, watching, and listening to. So I already talked about what I watched, which was the Michael movie, which I do. I did really like.
[00:12:17] I think that the critics were kind of wrong in their assumption or their feedback about it.
[00:12:24] I thought it was great, but not everybody is gonna think that, so whatever. I thought it was filmed really great.
[00:12:32] I thought the dancing was really amazing. It did take me out a little bit. When they were at Maran K, which if you're a dancer in Los Angeles, you know where Moron K is. I was like, can you build the Demi Reynolds? Because, like, build the wood. I know it doesn't exist anymore, but build it.
[00:12:46] Come on. That's where they. They rehearsed.
[00:12:49] Not getting the facts right.
[00:12:52] But anyway, I am finally, finally finished the Diana Vreeland book. Oh, my God. So Diana Vreeland was. She worked at Vogue. She walked so Anna Wintour could run. Actually, she ran before Anna Wintour bobbed in.
[00:13:11] And this book took me four months to finish.
[00:13:16] And I, like, I brought it home when I was home for a couple weeks, and I was telling myself, I was like, we need to finish this book.
[00:13:24] And I did. And I didn't finish it at home, but I was like, you know what? Let me just, like, let me read a chapter a day. It's just.
[00:13:32] It's so dense. And she kind of, like, talks like this all over the place. And because, you know, R.I.P. she, like, was lived in an era of, like, it old, old bitch. You know what I mean? And I had to, like, research people. She would mention people's names. I was like, who the are we talking about? So I would also research that. And so that's why it took me so long to get through the book. But I finally fucking finished it. Thank you, Byron, for letting me borrow it and inspiring me to read it in the first place. Yes.
[00:14:05] As for what I'm listening to, I. I really do love the new Casey Musgraves album. I am a Musgrave rat. I love Casey Musgraves. I believe that the best.
[00:14:18] My top five out of my top five albums. Golden Hour is on that top five. Golden Hour is one of those albums. Happy Golden Hour. Sad Golden Hour, Road trip Golden Hour.
[00:14:33] Any spectrum of emotions. Golden Hour. Okay. It's a perfect album. Yes. You heard me. You know, I always have notes. It's a perfect album. And so after that album was Star Cross, which was her divorce album, which I liked. Star Cross. It's not the same as Golden Hour, but Like, you can't stop an artist from creating. And then after that was. Was Deeper well, which came out a couple years ago, which I loved. Deeper well, people didn't want to make noise about that album, but that's on them. And then this album, Middle of Nowhere, which I really, really liked.
[00:15:11] And it had. It's like, definitely a lot of.
[00:15:17] There's a lot of influence in it. Obviously. People are like, it's her. Come back to country. I'm like, what happened to Star Cross? The Deeper well fans. I was there. I was there. I've been listening to Casey Musgraves. Y' all are just late.
[00:15:31] Okay. But no, I loved.
[00:15:34] I love Middle of Nowhere Mexico, Honey.
[00:15:47] It's just so good. Like, all the songs are really good, and I've been listening to it, so you should do well. Thank you so much for watching. Listening to the podcast, wherever you get podcasts, you know, I never take it for granted, people spending their 15 minutes max of their lives with me. Wherever you're watching it or listening to it, if you're brushing your teeth, if you're washing your ass. I love to be a part of the process with you. I really do. Until next time.
[00:16:19] So, yeah,
